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the fact is the speaker used to be, as harry reid accused john bain over being, a dictator, control everything. now they can control virtually nothing. >> and i want to thank all of you, as we begin this new year, with friends and colleagues all, it's great to see you, karen tim multi-and margaret carlson and josh green, great cover and chris cillizza, thanks very much for being our daily fix. let's listen to nancy pelosi and you the house of representatives. >> as we mourn the families of the newtown, we know that ensuring the safety of all americans would be truly meaningful tribute to the children and teachers of sandy hook elementary school. for the strength of our democracy, for the sake of our children, let us work together to protect and defend all of our people. [ applause ] in the same year president lincoln issued the emancipation program clammakers the statue of freedom was unveiled atop the capitol development and it continues, that dome continues to be a beacon of freedom to the world and a source of inspiration for all who have had the honor to serve in program. let us work in fr
the fact is the speaker used to be, as harry reid accused john bain over being, a dictator, control everything. now they can control virtually nothing. >> and i want to thank all of you, as we begin this new year, with friends and colleagues all, it's great to see you, karen tim multi-and margaret carlson and josh green, great cover and chris cillizza, thanks very much for being our daily fix. let's listen to nancy pelosi and you the house of representatives. >> as we mourn the...
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we looked at harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, et al, and roll call now freeline. >> on mondays i'm going to start writing a column, moving away from my editing duties and putting on my writing hat again. >> there's a great piece in "national journal," why rubio voted for this deal. >> the most important divide until we create a new one. that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown." tomorrow on the show, it's jobs day. we'll have the breaking news on the december unemployment report. coming up next, chris jansing. bye-bye. self. with unitedhealthcare, i get personalized information and rewards for addressing my health risks. but she's still going to give me a heart attack. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
we looked at harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, et al, and roll call now freeline. >> on mondays i'm going to start writing a column, moving away from my editing duties and putting on my writing hat again. >> there's a great piece in "national journal," why rubio voted for this deal. >> the most important divide until we create a new one. that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown." tomorrow on the show, it's jobs day. we'll have the breaking...
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politico reports boehner told harry reid to go blank himself. part of the reason boehner is so testy is a fracture in his own party's leadership. republican leader eric cantor broke ranks with the speaker when the deal came up for a vote. boehner and house budget chairman paul ryan voted for the bill, while cantor and house whip kevin mccarthy voted against it. what does that tell you? president obama needs to move forward with plans to avoid the next fiscal crisis, the debt ceiling. he is not worried about engaging with a fractured gop. the president is going right back to you, the american people. the white house getting after it. put on their website, publishing the facts sheet. what this tax deal is all about. the details were shared on the president's massive e-mail list. the white house also released a video where the president explained his strategy of tax cuts and deficit reduction. >> so instead we're solving this problem in several steps. last year we started reducing the deficit through $1 trillion in spending cuts. and the agreement
politico reports boehner told harry reid to go blank himself. part of the reason boehner is so testy is a fracture in his own party's leadership. republican leader eric cantor broke ranks with the speaker when the deal came up for a vote. boehner and house budget chairman paul ryan voted for the bill, while cantor and house whip kevin mccarthy voted against it. what does that tell you? president obama needs to move forward with plans to avoid the next fiscal crisis, the debt ceiling. he is not...
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reid. this happened before the deal had been reached, i should point out. according to politico, boehner had strong words for the senate majority leader quote, go f yourself boehner. as he pointed his finger at reid. reid a bit startled replied what are you talking about and boehner then repeated it. go f yourself. they didn't cut the deal. in the end it was vice president biden and the senate majority leader. what does this say about the inability to work together? >> i also like the fact according to that story that boehner then went around bragging to everybody he said that to reid. i think they were both at the bottom of the food chain here of decision makers. they were fighting at the bottom of the chain while mitch mcconnell and joe biden were putting together the deal. i think both boehner and reid in a way were powerless in this decision for obvious reasons. and they -- the white house -- i was told by david plouffe a month ago that he much rather would prefer to work with mcconnell
reid. this happened before the deal had been reached, i should point out. according to politico, boehner had strong words for the senate majority leader quote, go f yourself boehner. as he pointed his finger at reid. reid a bit startled replied what are you talking about and boehner then repeated it. go f yourself. they didn't cut the deal. in the end it was vice president biden and the senate majority leader. what does this say about the inability to work together? >> i also like the...
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go ahead. >> the reason we took this to the edge is because harry reid can't pass a budget out of the senate. if washington was working fine, the budgets would pass in april lake they do every year, we would spend the next six months discussing it and be on the floor in november in a conference report and these situations would be avoided. >> to brad's point, i would not let it go -- it's like a debate. i think you get a minute here to respond. but john boehner has taken the lion's share of blame for plan "b", was harry reid, at the end of the day, the deal came to be mcconnell and biden cut the deal. what was reid's role? did he play the role he should have played? >> i think he played the role. i think the role is, we need to get a deal. we need to save middle class families from having their taxes go up. whether you're at the forefront or you're huddled back with your troops, making sure you've got the votes, i think he gets that credit. >> i will say, an 89-8 vote in the senate, they almost never vote that overwhelmingly. brad mentioned this, i want to play something. brad said he
go ahead. >> the reason we took this to the edge is because harry reid can't pass a budget out of the senate. if washington was working fine, the budgets would pass in april lake they do every year, we would spend the next six months discussing it and be on the floor in november in a conference report and these situations would be avoided. >> to brad's point, i would not let it go -- it's like a debate. i think you get a minute here to respond. but john boehner has taken the lion's...
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what does harry reid do? >> in this case, he represented the interests of his caucus and signed off on a deal that got the democrats a ton of stuff. >> okay. again, you -- i don't fault mitch mcconnell, because mitch mcconnell was dealing with a democratic senate. >> but he could have vetoed -- he could have filibustered the whole thing. >> and tax rates would have gone up for everybody. >> mitch mcconnell chose to be a quiet statesman, didn't see him on camera or he didn't meet face to face with joe biden, but he's the reason we have this agreement. i wonder what his view is of decoupling the -- >> maybe there was a deal he cut. >> maybe he has an idea of how this gives them more leverage in the next round. >> i don't expect much from republican senators. i love them. i love them. i don't expect them to be fiscal hawks. >> he is so difficult, usually, so there must have been a deal cut. he's so difficult. he's impossible. >> to get something through a democratic senate, that is far more difficult than john b
what does harry reid do? >> in this case, he represented the interests of his caucus and signed off on a deal that got the democrats a ton of stuff. >> okay. again, you -- i don't fault mitch mcconnell, because mitch mcconnell was dealing with a democratic senate. >> but he could have vetoed -- he could have filibustered the whole thing. >> and tax rates would have gone up for everybody. >> mitch mcconnell chose to be a quiet statesman, didn't see him on camera or...
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reid, and -- what is it getting to be? 21 hours or so ago? 89 to 8, an extraordinary vote with only five republicans and democrats in the senate voting against that. we thought that the bill -- really, just enormous margin almost unheard of margin coming into the house. john boehner would be able to point at that and say look we'll be able to fight another day. the writing on the wall. let's put it on the floor, in two month's time there will be opportunities for us to really push for the spending cuts that many of his rank and file thought were lacking in this bill. obviously, they will still look for that. it didn't come easy we had a lot of drama over the course of the day. look at the vote spread now, 104 to 56 69 to five look at the democrats lining up in the leadership. that is fairly extraordinary. i'm looking down at the monitor here. things appear to be on a glide path here for passage of this bill, making its way to the president's desk. >> ten more votes, i think, vic as we watch it go down the column there. the
reid, and -- what is it getting to be? 21 hours or so ago? 89 to 8, an extraordinary vote with only five republicans and democrats in the senate voting against that. we thought that the bill -- really, just enormous margin almost unheard of margin coming into the house. john boehner would be able to point at that and say look we'll be able to fight another day. the writing on the wall. let's put it on the floor, in two month's time there will be opportunities for us to really push for the...
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harry reid, mitch mcconnell got out there and look what happened. nearly 90% of each of their sides vote in order bill. they came together and said we've got a bill and you saw what the vote was, nearly some 90 votes. that's not the way the world works with this house of representatives. and i think house leadership has been trying to explain that and if you will, educate news the media sometimes about this. so they had to let them wear themselves out today, the rank and file. they have. they've come to reality of where the votes are and where they aren't. and that's with a it leaves us right now. >> and those who haven't followed speaker boehner, have not followed leadership, they have some sort of approach to this entire matter saying i don't need to fall into rank and file here because i was not voted to represent necessarily the issues of the country per se, but that of my own constituency. and how strong does that idea run true for those who object to this bill as well as plan b before? >> well, just remember, political compromise has only happ
harry reid, mitch mcconnell got out there and look what happened. nearly 90% of each of their sides vote in order bill. they came together and said we've got a bill and you saw what the vote was, nearly some 90 votes. that's not the way the world works with this house of representatives. and i think house leadership has been trying to explain that and if you will, educate news the media sometimes about this. so they had to let them wear themselves out today, the rank and file. they have....
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but what's interesting is john boehner for the last few weeks has said repeatedly let's let harry reid and mitch mcconnell and senate figure this out. now they figured it out and now it's on the house side. as one republican member told me when the senate jams you, they jam you. and there's not a lot you can do about it. don't ask for the senate to jam you then get angry afterwards. so the way forward, it's very perilous now. the markets in asia are going to open up in a few hours. i've got tons of e-mails from folks in the finance community wondering what exactly is happening in washington. we thought this was a done deal. it is very far from a done deal and maybe if we have no vote tonight on something, maybe it takes a market crash tomorrow or a lot of points off the dow in order for the house republicans to take the senate deal, richard. >> so anything can happen as you always remind us there. but based on what we understand right now, those two items come to pass that the amendment it and send it to the senate and the senate won't accept it, this could be dead. >> then it's dead a
but what's interesting is john boehner for the last few weeks has said repeatedly let's let harry reid and mitch mcconnell and senate figure this out. now they figured it out and now it's on the house side. as one republican member told me when the senate jams you, they jam you. and there's not a lot you can do about it. don't ask for the senate to jam you then get angry afterwards. so the way forward, it's very perilous now. the markets in asia are going to open up in a few hours. i've got...
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i'm hearing harry reid would essentially laugh at that and say are you kidding me? we spent this time, joe biden and mitch mcconnell spent all this time trying to get an agreement. what are we supposed to do with this? this leaves the question out there, could we go over the fiscal cliff entirely? we are teetering on the edge from where we stand now, it's a good possibility. i will say though, if john boehner wanted to take this bill and put it to the floor without amendments, essentially having a p profile in courage moment t would probably pass. from the republican i spoke to in the room, they said if there's an appetite for folks who have been around here for a while to get this over with, they can live to fight another day on the debt limit and on the government funding bill. but this would be a pr disaster for republicans. there is nowhere else for this bill to go. if the house gop tries to administration this with this short amount of time left, they feel, this member spoke to me and folks close to the speaker, they feel the claim woublame wo them. the sandy s
i'm hearing harry reid would essentially laugh at that and say are you kidding me? we spent this time, joe biden and mitch mcconnell spent all this time trying to get an agreement. what are we supposed to do with this? this leaves the question out there, could we go over the fiscal cliff entirely? we are teetering on the edge from where we stand now, it's a good possibility. i will say though, if john boehner wanted to take this bill and put it to the floor without amendments, essentially...
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reid accepting any type of amended version of this. i think this is a take it or leave it offer to the house, and if they vote to leave it today, they're going to he wanted up voting to take it tomorrow or the day after. >> and, reid, you're take on that? if we don't get a bill out of the house the president has promised wait until the new congress is sworn in on january 4th and start the process all over again, so do you think the odds of a deal go up or down with the new congress? >> well, i think we're going to get the deal before the new congress comes in, but i think in the end of the day the odds probably increase given democratic gains in the last election. one of the interesting things, though, is this sort of discussion of the market's reaction and whether or not a big drop in the market like what happened after the tarp bill failed might spur people to action. we haven't really seen the market reacting that much. sure, it was down five days in a row last week to the week between christmas and new year's, but it was up signifi
reid accepting any type of amended version of this. i think this is a take it or leave it offer to the house, and if they vote to leave it today, they're going to he wanted up voting to take it tomorrow or the day after. >> and, reid, you're take on that? if we don't get a bill out of the house the president has promised wait until the new congress is sworn in on january 4th and start the process all over again, so do you think the odds of a deal go up or down with the new congress?...
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we heard harry reid earlier before saying that it will require a 60 though a majority. so far we have heard that when rand paul, the tea party republican senator from kentucky, has voted no. that has been the only no vote i have heard so far but there will be others. this deal is expected to pass the senate. once it gets through the senate, it must then go to the house of representatives which will convene later today, tuesday. and the republican leadership in the senate, some confusion. not entirely sure whether or not the republicans will in fact pass this bill. they said they will look at it, read it, they want to amend it and suggest changes. the me send it back to the senate. they may in fact vote on it and improve it. this is the first step. once it goes there, there are still other issues, other budget issues which the u.s. government and congress have to deal with. literally they have to deal with the spending side of the question. our cnn radio congressional correspondent is in washington watching the vote right now. i noticed rand paul voted no. who else? >> t
we heard harry reid earlier before saying that it will require a 60 though a majority. so far we have heard that when rand paul, the tea party republican senator from kentucky, has voted no. that has been the only no vote i have heard so far but there will be others. this deal is expected to pass the senate. once it gets through the senate, it must then go to the house of representatives which will convene later today, tuesday. and the republican leadership in the senate, some confusion. not...
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senator harry reid says they are waiting for the coo as well. let's go to nbc's kristen welker at the white house. tell us what you are hearing from your sources there? >> good evening, milissa. according to chuck todd, breaking details from that meeting that vice president biden just had. no one in the meeting said they were planning to vote against this bull once it does move through the senate, it doesn't mean they won't. they didn't voice opposition during that meeting, so that is significant this idea there is some liberal revolve doesn't seem to be coming to the floor, the vice president's agreement received very well. and speculation it could get as many as 80 votes. the vice president putting to caucus members this way. the second part of a three-part process. first was the budget control act. this deals with the issue of taxes, something that president obama has been talking since 2008. campaigned on this issue in 2012, and the third part will be that march trifecta, when you are going to have both the budget to deal with as well as the
senator harry reid says they are waiting for the coo as well. let's go to nbc's kristen welker at the white house. tell us what you are hearing from your sources there? >> good evening, milissa. according to chuck todd, breaking details from that meeting that vice president biden just had. no one in the meeting said they were planning to vote against this bull once it does move through the senate, it doesn't mean they won't. they didn't voice opposition during that meeting, so that is...
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we've also learned that president obama personally called harry reid and nancy pelosi to ensure that they are on board with this plan. our chuck todd says it is not likely that we would see a deal on that vote before midnight, just on the logistical standpoint the house remains adjourned until tomorrow. mike, what is the latest you're hearing about a possible vote tonight, maybe not before midnight at this point, but sometime during the night? >> yeah, i don't think it will happen before midnight, just too many procedural hoops to jump through, and they haven't even completed writing the bill. vice president joe biden arrived, met with harry reid briefly, and walked into the second floor and into the caucus room where democrats had gathered. joe biden's mention to pitch this deal, to the caucus, one mention, if they're going to bring it up tonight. we talked about the senate and how slow it moves. it can move very fast, when they have unanimous consent, in other words, where every senator says it is okay to move forward. that will be the trick. there will be a lot of senators with a
we've also learned that president obama personally called harry reid and nancy pelosi to ensure that they are on board with this plan. our chuck todd says it is not likely that we would see a deal on that vote before midnight, just on the logistical standpoint the house remains adjourned until tomorrow. mike, what is the latest you're hearing about a possible vote tonight, maybe not before midnight at this point, but sometime during the night? >> yeah, i don't think it will happen before...
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and again, president obama tonight calling harry reid, nancy pelosi to make sure that they both signed off on this deal, which they have. so now we have the vice president who is just arriving at the hill. he is going to sit down with the democratic caucus, sell this deal to the caucus, answer their questions, answer their concerns. but, again, the broad outlines of the deal have been agreed upon by all the major players who are involved in this. of course, vice president biden has been playing a critical role in these negotiations, really the entire time. but especially since saturday when leader mcconnell reached out to him and asked him to get more engaged, which he did. and that is really when we saw this ball move forward. and now it appears inching closer by the hour to the end game. so, again, president obama reaching out to key leaders on the hill, making sure that they agree with this deal. and it appears at this hour that they do. and vice president biden now going to sell to it the caucus. milissa? >> all right, kristen welker, stand by for us, if you please. let's go to nbc
and again, president obama tonight calling harry reid, nancy pelosi to make sure that they both signed off on this deal, which they have. so now we have the vice president who is just arriving at the hill. he is going to sit down with the democratic caucus, sell this deal to the caucus, answer their questions, answer their concerns. but, again, the broad outlines of the deal have been agreed upon by all the major players who are involved in this. of course, vice president biden has been playing...
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now majority leader harry reid who had been the main democratic of voice until biden came in. and we're just talking about when this moved to the senate over the last couple of days. reid is still a part of it. but what you bring with joe biden is those decades of experience, and understanding the mind said of lawmakers. he has been on both sides of deal-making over the years when he had the leverage or didn't have the leverage, and knows what it's like to be in a tight spot and willing to try to work things out and to get creative about finding solutions. what happens in these deals is that you have staffers who are experts in various areas when it comes to tax policy or spending. people who know the budget like the back of their hand. they're really at the table looking for those details. so you might have the big overarching thematic discussions that have been going on for a long time. i've had people in both parties say there is a fundamental trust between joe biden and mitch mcconnell that is helping things along. if that's going well, then it also benefits harry reid and
now majority leader harry reid who had been the main democratic of voice until biden came in. and we're just talking about when this moved to the senate over the last couple of days. reid is still a part of it. but what you bring with joe biden is those decades of experience, and understanding the mind said of lawmakers. he has been on both sides of deal-making over the years when he had the leverage or didn't have the leverage, and knows what it's like to be in a tight spot and willing to try...
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reid continues to be involved. i'm told he has spoken to the president several times today. so the hope is though that they really will be able to at this point because they are so close to move this forward. but, again, that remains a big question mark. president obama, of course, today had that sort of campaign-style event. he has waged this public campaign to pressure congress, not only republicans, but also democrats who have expressed some skepticism about this emerging deal that is coming together. so that is part of the president's tactic as well, to not only be working the phones behind the scenes, but also to hold these public events and, of course, he sat down with david gregory this weekend on quths meet the press." that's part of his calculation as well. >> let's talk more about the political calculation. for more reaction i'm joined by nbc's luke russert. good to see you, luke. >> how are you doing? >> i want to pick up on what mike was saying, even as we were on the air house republicans were watching
reid continues to be involved. i'm told he has spoken to the president several times today. so the hope is though that they really will be able to at this point because they are so close to move this forward. but, again, that remains a big question mark. president obama, of course, today had that sort of campaign-style event. he has waged this public campaign to pressure congress, not only republicans, but also democrats who have expressed some skepticism about this emerging deal that is coming...
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first, harry reid, though, made it clear that issue was not up for discussion. >> i was really gratified to hear republicans had taken their demand for social security benefit cuts off the table. the truth is they should have never been on the table to begin with. >> so here's the politics of it now. coming up, president obama also hinted in that interview that republicans were to blame for the current fiscal cliff standoff. take a listen. >> congress has not been able to get this stuff done, not because democrats in congress don't want to go ahead and cooperate, but because i think it's been very hard for speaker boehner and republican leader mcconnell to accept the fact that taxes on the wealthiest americans should go up a little bit as part of an overall deficit reduction package. >> how accountable are you for the fact that washington can't get anything done and that we are at this deadline again? >> i have to tell you, david, if you look at my track record over the last two years, i cut spending by over $1 trillion in 2011. i negotiated with speaker boehner in good faith and moved m
first, harry reid, though, made it clear that issue was not up for discussion. >> i was really gratified to hear republicans had taken their demand for social security benefit cuts off the table. the truth is they should have never been on the table to begin with. >> so here's the politics of it now. coming up, president obama also hinted in that interview that republicans were to blame for the current fiscal cliff standoff. take a listen. >> congress has not been able to get...
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both sides are still divided but just before calling it quits yesterday democratic leader harry reid said he hoped to have an announcement in the morning when the senate gets back network. where are they divided? they are divided at what salary taxes should increase but there was progress on taxes for the wealthiest of americans and avoiding the inheritance increases and they are grateful that republicans have given up on demands for cuts to social security at least for now. now this progress has not come easy. democrats have accused republicans of being too suborn on tax increases. just yesterday republicans slammed democrats for failing to give them a counter offer in the negotiation. minority leader mitch mcconnell called the vice president joe biden to get involved and help in the negotiations. lawmakers say they are hopeful they will get a deal today. even if they don't the fight won't be over for long. republicans will push for those reforms they gave up this time around early next year during the debt limit debate. back to you. >>> for his part president obama has been trying
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senate majority leader harry reid says he plans to have a plan up for a vote tomorrow morning. although there are serious differences on both sides. >> we're not going to have any social security cuts at this stage, it just doesn't seem appropriate. i still hold out hope we can get something done but i'm not overly optimistic but i am cautiously optimistic. >> republicans pushed back on claims by democrats that the social security benefit measurement, which is known as the chained cpi and basically would reduce the amount of money that senior citizens get under social security, was part of the republican plan. in any case, that is off the table. senator john mccain posted this on twitter, most of us agree the chained cpi is off the table in these negotiations. president obama continued to put public pressure on republicans during his appearance on "meet the press" today. >> it is very important for republicans in congress to be willing to say, we understand we're not going to get 100%, we're willing to compromise in a serious way. >> joined by congressman barney frank of massac
senate majority leader harry reid says he plans to have a plan up for a vote tomorrow morning. although there are serious differences on both sides. >> we're not going to have any social security cuts at this stage, it just doesn't seem appropriate. i still hold out hope we can get something done but i'm not overly optimistic but i am cautiously optimistic. >> republicans pushed back on claims by democrats that the social security benefit measurement, which is known as the chained...
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i'll have harry reid put that on the floor and you'll have to block it. and you will have to then take responsibility for not pushing it through. so republicans are a little bit in a corner here, which is why i think mcconnell exercised the biden phone to the white house to see if he can work something out. >> so you guys are ordering in pizza tonight, lots of coffee? >> we're here for the duration. we're watching and waiting and will report it as soon as we know it to you guys. >> thank you, chris. we look forward to that. we'll have much more as we cover the negotiations on capitol hill in an hour. i'll be back with continuing live coverage. right now, we're going to go to david gregory's interview with president obama on "meet the press." i'll see you back here in 60 minutes. share everything. share brotherly love. share one up's. mom ? mom ? the share everything plan. lets your family share a pool of data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a spectrum 2 by lg for $49.99
i'll have harry reid put that on the floor and you'll have to block it. and you will have to then take responsibility for not pushing it through. so republicans are a little bit in a corner here, which is why i think mcconnell exercised the biden phone to the white house to see if he can work something out. >> so you guys are ordering in pizza tonight, lots of coffee? >> we're here for the duration. we're watching and waiting and will report it as soon as we know it to you guys....
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harry reid, before his closed door luncheon, said he was still cautiously optimistic. hard to see from our perspective why he would say this because things seem pretty bleak at this point, though you never know what's going on behind closed doors. melissa. >> thank you very much. keeping an eye on that podium because senator harry reid is apparently going to come out and speak in a few minutes so we'll watch for that. let's go to the white house correspondent kristen welker. we know the senate majority leader has talked to the president. has there been any reaction from the white house today. >> reporter: the white house is not commenting on these negotiations that are going on over on the hill. they do not want to derail them by speaking out, by agitating the situation, but i tell you that there is a lot of investment here going on behind the scenes. in addition to mitch mcconnell speaking to vice president biden, the president sent his top negotiator, one of his top negotiators, rob nabors over to the hill. he's meeting with senate democrats as well this afternoon. a
harry reid, before his closed door luncheon, said he was still cautiously optimistic. hard to see from our perspective why he would say this because things seem pretty bleak at this point, though you never know what's going on behind closed doors. melissa. >> thank you very much. keeping an eye on that podium because senator harry reid is apparently going to come out and speak in a few minutes so we'll watch for that. let's go to the white house correspondent kristen welker. we know the...
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harry reid wasn't at the capital yesterday. mitch mcconnell was there. the senior staff are trying to figure out what palsy is acceptable. they are trading very detailed information, they are getting scores from the joint committee on taxation to figure out how much money the various proposals raise. you have the white house team and democratic team in reid's office. the republican team in mcconnell's office. they are gaming out what they want and throw in offers across the table. the good news is they are trading those offers. >> t.j., can i say a word in defense of asinine politicians? the asinine politicians are reflecting real divisions in the country, divisions of self-interest, divisions of philosophy. it's more difficult to do because of the structure of our system, the way the two parties developed. ultimately, they are talking act thing that is cost people money and things that would benefit others financially. those are difficult issues to settle. you know, our system was designed to make them difficult to settle, not as difficult as they are i
harry reid wasn't at the capital yesterday. mitch mcconnell was there. the senior staff are trying to figure out what palsy is acceptable. they are trading very detailed information, they are getting scores from the joint committee on taxation to figure out how much money the various proposals raise. you have the white house team and democratic team in reid's office. the republican team in mcconnell's office. they are gaming out what they want and throw in offers across the table. the good news...
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we assume harry reid is here and their staffs are going back and forth. i spoke to one aide who said don't expect for any details to leak tonight. they'll be closed-lipped about this because the idea if anything does leak out it gives more of an opportunity for folks on either party to kill a deal if they don't like what they hear. some sort of a agreement will be announced tomorrow when the house is back in session and the senate is back in session and they can go back to say hey, this is the best opportunity. as far as the likelihood of this kraig, things have not been going well and there's optimism here and there and things are fluid like kristen says and it will be the final deal, but what we do know is these folks on capitol hill are very mindful of the damage that can be done to the economy if nothing is brief. we've had five down days in the stock market and we're preparing the country on tuesday for the first tax increase in 20 years, and i think finally at the end, that's starting to resonate at least with some of the elder members of both sides
we assume harry reid is here and their staffs are going back and forth. i spoke to one aide who said don't expect for any details to leak tonight. they'll be closed-lipped about this because the idea if anything does leak out it gives more of an opportunity for folks on either party to kill a deal if they don't like what they hear. some sort of a agreement will be announced tomorrow when the house is back in session and the senate is back in session and they can go back to say hey, this is the...
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harry reid was sounding the death knell. what happened yesterday, david? >> congressional leaders came to the white house and had direct talks with the president and john boehner continues to say, look, new it's up to the senate to take action and so there is -- what was noticed on these negotiations and the question is go going, and that's the sticking point and we're waiting to see what happens and we're running out of time and as the other guests have said, it will be up to the house to see if they can get it through. >> i want to throw it up on the screen so folks at home can appreciate when we're talking about and what it will mean for people if no deal is reached. the bush tax cuts expire for all americans. that means everyone's taxes go up. the payroll tax holiday will expire which means roughly $1,000 decrease in take home pay for the the average worker. unemployment insurance goes away for more than 2 million people. the sequester as well, $110 billion in automatic spending cuts to defense and other domestic programs. that's going kick in, as well
harry reid was sounding the death knell. what happened yesterday, david? >> congressional leaders came to the white house and had direct talks with the president and john boehner continues to say, look, new it's up to the senate to take action and so there is -- what was noticed on these negotiations and the question is go going, and that's the sticking point and we're waiting to see what happens and we're running out of time and as the other guests have said, it will be up to the house...
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it's up to harry reid to do what he needs to do. so i would suggest that's been a point of frustration. hopefully we're now seeing that get resolved. >> last word. those bills aren't going anywhere in the senate. the voters were very clear they want a balanced approach. they believe the wealthy should pay a little bit more and that middle class families should get a tax increase. that's what they voted for, i believe, in the last election. that's not what the republicans are standing up for right now. >> david, doug, gentlemen, i appreciate you both being here. and it is. it's a shame we're to this point, just a few days out and americans are worried right now about what their paychecks are going to look like the first couple of weeks of january. but thank you both so much. hopefully this gets worked out. you all have a happy new year. >> happy new year. >> about 42 minutes past the hour now. >>> want to turn to number five on our first five web stories. beyonce' is looking for co-stars in her super bowl halftime show. pepsi is runn
it's up to harry reid to do what he needs to do. so i would suggest that's been a point of frustration. hopefully we're now seeing that get resolved. >> last word. those bills aren't going anywhere in the senate. the voters were very clear they want a balanced approach. they believe the wealthy should pay a little bit more and that middle class families should get a tax increase. that's what they voted for, i believe, in the last election. that's not what the republicans are standing up...
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what does harry reid do? does he blink obama's plan to the floor or try to work with mcconnell in this 11th hour. you will have a tough vote for many house republicans. if that level is at 250 and it includes unemployment, make it so republicans may not. >> joy, do you think we have a deal? >> you know, ill'm still very dubious. but if there is a deal, it will be with a majority of democrats in the house and there's a political risk for boehner in that. >> thank you. you've been watching "hardball." we'll be back in one hour with an all-new live edition. until then, "politics nation" starts rite now. >> thanks, richard. thanks to you for tuning in. breaking news, president obama urges congress to make a deal to overt the fiscal cliff. he announces no deal, but progress may be in sight. >> and that would be the wrong thing to do for our e con mu. it would be bad for middle class families and bad for businesses that depend on family spending. fortunately, congress can prevent it from happening if they act right
what does harry reid do? does he blink obama's plan to the floor or try to work with mcconnell in this 11th hour. you will have a tough vote for many house republicans. if that level is at 250 and it includes unemployment, make it so republicans may not. >> joy, do you think we have a deal? >> you know, ill'm still very dubious. but if there is a deal, it will be with a majority of democrats in the house and there's a political risk for boehner in that. >> thank you. you've...
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yesterday, senate leader harry reid said he didn't think the fiscal cliff could be avoided. as you can see, stocks plunged. shortly after noon, senator scott brown posted on facebook of all things that he was headed back to washington because the president had reached out to the gop leadership with a proposal. then the markets bounced up a bit. but then cnbc's john harwood tweeted the white house denied skost brown's post and markets dropped again. thanks, john, for that. then came a late day surge on news that speaker boehner called the house back to washington, and late today we learned that the white house is holding a conference call with ceos on the status of the fiscal cliff negotiations. so maybe things will change once more again tomorrow. joining me now to discuss the business ramifications and what the markets think of all this, the editor of thegrio.com and msnbc contributor joy reid. >> hey, richard. >> hi, joy. do we also have fortune magazine's assistant, yes, excellent, managing editor, leigh gallagher. thanks for joining us, too. wall street seems to have bee
yesterday, senate leader harry reid said he didn't think the fiscal cliff could be avoided. as you can see, stocks plunged. shortly after noon, senator scott brown posted on facebook of all things that he was headed back to washington because the president had reached out to the gop leadership with a proposal. then the markets bounced up a bit. but then cnbc's john harwood tweeted the white house denied skost brown's post and markets dropped again. thanks, john, for that. then came a late day...
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so harry reid, mitch mcconnell, nancy please elosi on the house to say here are the number of democrats i could get if you offer a compromise package. but this is really a tough situation because there's so little time left and we've already seen the markets impacted by this. so if we do go over the cliff, if you look at the polls, most americans saying republicans will bear the brunt. they will blame republicans, but the bottom line is the president will get a lot of blame as well because this is going to impact a lot of people. >> right. nbc's kristin welker keeping us honest at the white house. we will stand by. thank you. >> reporter: thank you. >>> joining us for analysis are two of my favorite guys, both former chairs of the democratic committee, pk to you both. >> karen. >> thanks, karen. >> governor rendell, i'm going to start with you, what do you make of this meeting? to some degree -- do we really expect we're going to get some substance out of this meeting or is this more for the optics so both sides can say they tried one more time? >> i think it's a little more for the opt
so harry reid, mitch mcconnell, nancy please elosi on the house to say here are the number of democrats i could get if you offer a compromise package. but this is really a tough situation because there's so little time left and we've already seen the markets impacted by this. so if we do go over the cliff, if you look at the polls, most americans saying republicans will bear the brunt. they will blame republicans, but the bottom line is the president will get a lot of blame as well because this...
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. >> harry reid announced an interest change with the filibuster rules. do you support the change? >> we have to do something. you can't have sixty vote threshold on virtually everything and get something done. that is a process that is i think an -- as far as i'm concerned. people think of a filibuster back when the film of the james stewart goes to washington. if we're going have filibuster, i think we should have those rules in place, what we do need do is change it so that mr. smith stays on the floor during the filibuster. it doesn't just run time against the senate and go to senate forum calls for indefinitely periods of time while waiting for the time frame to go so you can the vote. it doesn't make any sense to do that. if somebody feels strongly enough they want to bring the senate to a halt, they should be willing to stay there on the floor and explain why or -- i think it will be self-sort of self-enforcing that people will be less likely to file a filibuster as often as they have been through the record. the number of filibusters filed over the last two or three or four
. >> harry reid announced an interest change with the filibuster rules. do you support the change? >> we have to do something. you can't have sixty vote threshold on virtually everything and get something done. that is a process that is i think an -- as far as i'm concerned. people think of a filibuster back when the film of the james stewart goes to washington. if we're going have filibuster, i think we should have those rules in place, what we do need do is change it so that mr....
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>> i did. >> did you see harry reid? >> there's no chance of -- >> but if you think -- i want to rise above. there was so little of anything close to that yesterday other than just the -- i mean, people at home must be like, it's the endless blaming and finger pointing and, you know, when one side says it's all the other side's fault and all the other side comes on and says people at home aren't going, wow, i believe you, harry. or i believe i, mitch. they're saying you're both losers, right? >> right. >> my real concern is this is what the current version of america actually voted for. >> the house is different. all politics is local. harry reid, you know which interest he satisfies. >> they're not that far apart. if you look at the negotiating positions, they're not -- >> they're emotionally far apart. >> for that bigger deal. >> so, really, the numbers aren't that different. you would think with even a small amount of good will they could find -- >> i'll tell you, listening to harry reid, it was once again the only pe
>> i did. >> did you see harry reid? >> there's no chance of -- >> but if you think -- i want to rise above. there was so little of anything close to that yesterday other than just the -- i mean, people at home must be like, it's the endless blaming and finger pointing and, you know, when one side says it's all the other side's fault and all the other side comes on and says people at home aren't going, wow, i believe you, harry. or i believe i, mitch. they're saying...
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earlier that year, harry reid and nancy pelosi gave george bush a stimulus. what happened was two things, al. first of all, barack obama got reelected. and for a variety of reasons, the republicans never game barack obama the kind of cooperation we gave george bush. of course you should disagree. but then in the end, you try to work things out. when george bush came to harry reid, we worked with him to go and to come to an agreement. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, said my number one agenda item is to defeat barack obama. and then in 2010, people were elected who don't believe in govern nans. who don't understand reality. it's not like we've had it forever. we didn't have it before the partisanship and there was some people so offended by the notion that barack obama could win for a variety of reasons, that they decided to delegitize it. i think you're going to see a gradual relinquishment of this kind of obstructionist death grip they have on the party. >> plet me ask you, you're leaving washington after serving so long and so well. what will you mis
earlier that year, harry reid and nancy pelosi gave george bush a stimulus. what happened was two things, al. first of all, barack obama got reelected. and for a variety of reasons, the republicans never game barack obama the kind of cooperation we gave george bush. of course you should disagree. but then in the end, you try to work things out. when george bush came to harry reid, we worked with him to go and to come to an agreement. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, said my number one...
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i think if harry reid does it, fine. let him do it. we need to think of what the country needs more than what each party does and concerned about the election on january 3rd? if nothing happens, he may have to worry about the election, john boehner. what i would advise him to do, he doesn't seek my advice, let me give you some advice. be what you want to be. do what you have to do. and democrats will support you if you do that. >> do you think at this point there's even enough time to get a deal done? realist achally. >> absolutely. there is time. now, i know we went out of session today and won't be in session technically until monday. that can change over the weekend. through emergency. so what happens to saturday and sunday? i mean, we all rather be with our families and friends but the fact is america needs this done right now. you know what's disappointed me most of all, craig? talking heads, many of them on television and some members of my own party saying, well, it won't be as bad. we'll take it up in the new congress. i think
i think if harry reid does it, fine. let him do it. we need to think of what the country needs more than what each party does and concerned about the election on january 3rd? if nothing happens, he may have to worry about the election, john boehner. what i would advise him to do, he doesn't seek my advice, let me give you some advice. be what you want to be. do what you have to do. and democrats will support you if you do that. >> do you think at this point there's even enough time to get...
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harry reid says time is running hout. he doesn't know if they could go through the legislative hurdles. if they have the votes around here, they can legislate the sky is green and the grass is blue. that's not an issue. what harry reid is really saying is mitch mcconnell, get on board, don't try to filibuster. of course they're talking about a bill that had raise capital on couples making more than $250,000 a year, and do a few other nuts and bolts that are deemed the bare minimum that the president wants to see done before we hit january 1st. i've got to tell you, though, getting back to the votes, the votes simply aren't there in the house of representatives for that. they're likely not even there in the senate, so we're back at square one, amazing as it is to say at this point, thomas. >> when we talk about what we know about the president, as we expect him to return to washington landing at andrews air force base, but what more do we know about this phone calls or the phone calls that went out to the four congressiona
harry reid says time is running hout. he doesn't know if they could go through the legislative hurdles. if they have the votes around here, they can legislate the sky is green and the grass is blue. that's not an issue. what harry reid is really saying is mitch mcconnell, get on board, don't try to filibuster. of course they're talking about a bill that had raise capital on couples making more than $250,000 a year, and do a few other nuts and bolts that are deemed the bare minimum that the...
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the president met with senate majority leader harry reid before going to hawaii and his offer was to extend the tax cuts for incomes under $250,000, extend unemployment insurance benefits, and the lady across -- and then delay the across the board automatic cuts that are supposed to start january 1. that seems to be a non starter with republicans. it's hard to see where we go from here. host: have they been talking over the christmas break at all? also, one has been the role of -- what has been the role of senator mitch mcconnell? guest: the line that comes from the speakers office all the time is the line of communication remain open. i don't know how much talking they did as the president was in hawaii spending time with his family and the speaker was back home in ohio, i believe. i don't know that for sure. everyone was doing their family time and not really working that significantly on something. i think there was probably some minimal conversation, but not a lot. as for the senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, i think that is a good one. a lot has been made in the past few d
the president met with senate majority leader harry reid before going to hawaii and his offer was to extend the tax cuts for incomes under $250,000, extend unemployment insurance benefits, and the lady across -- and then delay the across the board automatic cuts that are supposed to start january 1. that seems to be a non starter with republicans. it's hard to see where we go from here. host: have they been talking over the christmas break at all? also, one has been the role of -- what has been...
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they simply said it's up to harry reid in the senate. is he preparing a bill? there was a lot of talk of small ball. a bill to allow taxes to go up on everybody or at least couples that make more than $250,000 a year. $200,000 with single filers. harry reid said he is not going to prepare a bill unless mitch mcconnell allows it to come for a vote for a simple majority. they are seeking assurances that he won't try to block it. for his part he said it's up to the president to lead. unclear if anything is going to happen today. it's becoming more and more likely we will hit january 1st without a resolution. >> peter, obviously the president gets back a little bit from now. what are we hearing about their strategy? we have that very effective bully pulpit? >> it's a good question. the president is supposed to arrive a couple hours from now. 72 degrees for honolulu. better hope he brings sunshine back with him. the real challenge is when he gets here, there is barely 100 hours before the headline hits. he said a short time ago describing their strategy and it remai
they simply said it's up to harry reid in the senate. is he preparing a bill? there was a lot of talk of small ball. a bill to allow taxes to go up on everybody or at least couples that make more than $250,000 a year. $200,000 with single filers. harry reid said he is not going to prepare a bill unless mitch mcconnell allows it to come for a vote for a simple majority. they are seeking assurances that he won't try to block it. for his part he said it's up to the president to lead. unclear if...
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harry reid and the senate seem to be the only game in town right now with the senate returning today. we also know from sources, ali, that over this christmas break there were no conversations between the president and top-level republicans. sources from both parties are telling us they are watching the senate, especially the democratic leadership in the senate. we also know yesterday house republicans came out with a statement saying that he will act only after the u.s. senate acts. we're not sure what the senate will do, as you say, we're expecting that smaller deal. what exactly will they vote on? perhaps something that will erase tax hikes for most but not all americans. there could be some money in there for unemployment benefits. they're cobbling all of that together today. all eyes again on the senate, as you say. an let's look at what's going to happen today. 10:00 a.m., that's when the senate comes into session, 10:00 a.m. 11:30 is when president obama returns from hawaii. so we expect many conversations after the president returns. then we have those five days, ali, as you s
harry reid and the senate seem to be the only game in town right now with the senate returning today. we also know from sources, ali, that over this christmas break there were no conversations between the president and top-level republicans. sources from both parties are telling us they are watching the senate, especially the democratic leadership in the senate. we also know yesterday house republicans came out with a statement saying that he will act only after the u.s. senate acts. we're not...
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harry reid saying i won't bring anything to the senate floor or call a vote until i know for sure the republicans in the senate and republicans in the house will actually take whatever bill they come up with an put it on the floor. it's looking more and more likely this is we will go over this proverbial cliff, won't be over it very long, you know the way washington works. two weeks in they can pass a law retroactively and roll back the tax things but doesn't appear someh somehow new year's eve and january 1st scares these guys into doing anything. >> the grand bargain of tax reform seems a distant thought. whether it comes before or after, how do you think they will do a deal? >> reporter: it appears the white house has made a decision they won't try for a big deal anymore. whether that's a good political idea or not, we'll see. they could try to do one more big deal, try to see if politically they get the republicans to either say yes to them or refuse them one more time in trying to gain higher political ground. at this point, they seem to be convinced the republicans aren't going
harry reid saying i won't bring anything to the senate floor or call a vote until i know for sure the republicans in the senate and republicans in the house will actually take whatever bill they come up with an put it on the floor. it's looking more and more likely this is we will go over this proverbial cliff, won't be over it very long, you know the way washington works. two weeks in they can pass a law retroactively and roll back the tax things but doesn't appear someh somehow new year's eve...
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sources tell us majority leader harry reid will be pushing a scaled back version of the fiscal cliff package that president obama laid out last week. it moved the tax hike needle to $400,000 per household. no word yet on when the house might come back with time ticking away. democrats are hoping that a scaled back plan could get through the house, senate and white house before that big ball drops on 2013. that would be sometime on december 30th or even on new years eve. we want to bring in jonathan allen. he's a senior national correspondent for politico. the top headline on politico is fiscal cliff deal increasingly unlikely. i think a lot of people are feeling that pessimism right now. what are you hearing? >> well, i think what you've got here, alena, is a nash equilibrium to borrow from economic theory and game theory. each of the players believe they are pursuing their optimal strategies given the strategies of the other players and there's no reason to change it. i think as observers of this, the american public, you can say there's a real reason to change it. in terms of the p
sources tell us majority leader harry reid will be pushing a scaled back version of the fiscal cliff package that president obama laid out last week. it moved the tax hike needle to $400,000 per household. no word yet on when the house might come back with time ticking away. democrats are hoping that a scaled back plan could get through the house, senate and white house before that big ball drops on 2013. that would be sometime on december 30th or even on new years eve. we want to bring in...
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. >> reporter: that leaves it up to majority leader harry reid and the rest of the senate to find a passable solution. aides say reid's plan would avoid tax increases for people making less than $250,000, eliminate some big spending cuts and restore unemployment benefits. >> i think you're likely to see a two-step process here, one sort of dealing with the immediate dynamics so that you could in fact set up a situation where you could deal with the larger situation. >> reporter: without a deal, bush-era tax cuts will expire january 1st and deep spending cuts will set in. congress set up the deadline, hoping it would force a compromise. so far, that's backfired. also flying back on air force one is lieutenant governor brian schatz and will likely be sworn in later today. just before taking off, he tweeted that he's looking forward to supporting the president's agenda. reporting live in washington, i'm dan yeielle leigh. mara, back to you. >> thank you. >>> tim geithner is adding to the pressure to get the office calf cliff deal done. in an open letter wednesday, he warned the federal governme
. >> reporter: that leaves it up to majority leader harry reid and the rest of the senate to find a passable solution. aides say reid's plan would avoid tax increases for people making less than $250,000, eliminate some big spending cuts and restore unemployment benefits. >> i think you're likely to see a two-step process here, one sort of dealing with the immediate dynamics so that you could in fact set up a situation where you could deal with the larger situation. >>...
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nothing is stirring, not even harry reid. yes, i'm still in the christmas spirit. the president meanwhile is in hawaii and won't be returning until tomorrow. now, normally nothing happening would not be big news in washington. nothing happening is kind of the status quo in washington. getting nothing done is to our political system as saying great is to tony the tiger. it's just kind of what we do now. right now, this week, nothing happening is huge news. the reason is that usually when washington doesn't do anything nothing happens. you do nothing, nothing happens. that's how it goes. in fact that's why people call it doing nothing. after you do it, nothing occurs. if washington doesn't do something, a lot happens. all the bush tax cuts expire, the payroll tax cuts expire. doctors participating in medicare, see their reimbursements cut by more than 25%. good luck getting a doctor then. more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts are triggered. the economy probably falls back into recession, and merry christmas and happy new year from washington to you, the ameri
nothing is stirring, not even harry reid. yes, i'm still in the christmas spirit. the president meanwhile is in hawaii and won't be returning until tomorrow. now, normally nothing happening would not be big news in washington. nothing happening is kind of the status quo in washington. getting nothing done is to our political system as saying great is to tony the tiger. it's just kind of what we do now. right now, this week, nothing happening is huge news. the reason is that usually when...
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. >> harry reid is working on legislation. >> harry reid, the congress and the president. >> the president is cutting his hawaii vacation short to deal with the fiscal cliff. >> really, it's kind of like falling down stairs. we have a dysfunctional congress. >> speaker boehner needs to bring his party along. >> it's pretty clear that he could not bring them along. >> john boehner doesn't seem to have full control of his caucus. >> they were this close. >> the republicans will be blamed. >> they were this close to a solution. >> we're going to head over that cliff. >> i know it's hard for the republicans. the minute those leaders move forward, they get viscerated. >> guns shouldn't be available for anyone, any time, anywhere. >> the conversation still wages on. >> its plan to add more guns to schools. >> a completely dumb-ass idea. >> i don't think the nra is listening. >> you can call it whatever you want to call it. >> congress hasn't confirmed the director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. >> dysfunctional, dysfunctional, dysfunctional congress. >> we're not going to allow
. >> harry reid is working on legislation. >> harry reid, the congress and the president. >> the president is cutting his hawaii vacation short to deal with the fiscal cliff. >> really, it's kind of like falling down stairs. we have a dysfunctional congress. >> speaker boehner needs to bring his party along. >> it's pretty clear that he could not bring them along. >> john boehner doesn't seem to have full control of his caucus. >> they were this...
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asking harry reid to ask and president obama to act. >> harry reid's his lifeline. let me ask you this. everybody watches politics. this isn't cnbc here, it's politics. let's get a couple things straight. you say right now that today it's a democratic advantage. obama looks like the guy is trying to get it done. republicans are the holdouts. >> it's not just me. look at the gallup reports. republicans have been going down. >> obama's 54%. right now it's a democratic advantage. >> democratic advantage right now. >> midnight monday still a democratic advantage? >> no. if you go over the cliff, everyone's in trouble. >> wednesday morning next week which is only a week away and we're into 2013 and no deal's been made, do you accept the fact that both guys are in trouble? >> i think it's a jump ball. i'm not sure what happens at that point. it depends on what the markets do. we'll say this. president obama doesn't have to worry as much as the members of congress do because he's not on the ballot again. >> but if there's a second recession, doesn't that kill his second te
asking harry reid to ask and president obama to act. >> harry reid's his lifeline. let me ask you this. everybody watches politics. this isn't cnbc here, it's politics. let's get a couple things straight. you say right now that today it's a democratic advantage. obama looks like the guy is trying to get it done. republicans are the holdouts. >> it's not just me. look at the gallup reports. republicans have been going down. >> obama's 54%. right now it's a democratic advantage....